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Part 1 of 4 (Tape No. 1)
Interview with Kay Griggs
by Pastor Strawcutter
[Transcribed from the video by Tara Carreon]
Tape No. 1 of 4
[Pastor Strawcutter] Let’s talk a little bit about you. Where did you start out your life? You were born and raised in the country?
[Kay Griggs] Yeah, I was raised on a farm; in fact, I live in the same neighborhood in which I grew up. It was my grandfather’s farm, part of it: it was divided into thirds, but in 1939 my grandfather was an obstetrician in Norfolk. He was also in the Naval Reserves. He was in charge of military intelligence in Norfolk which is the largest military naval complex in the world. So I was born in the naval hospital, which is the NATO headquarters, and brought home to my grandparents’ farm.
My father was in the south China seas on a naval vessel. My uncle was in the navy. So I come from a long line of military-civilian folks. They were not fulltime military individuals: they had jobs, and they would go into the war, and would be in Reserves, and as my grandfather was, he stayed in and retired a navy captain.
But I live in a house that was in part of my grandfather’s field. But I’m being strangled financially by this army intelligence group, JAG group, Judge Advocate General, that my husband [is involved with]. I think that American citizens do not realize how many JAGs are in our court system, and they take orders. They are in the chain of command, they are active reserve, and they are in our court system everywhere you look: local and everywhere. And they are going to meetings once a month. And if there is a case like many of the military intelligence wives, like myself, and we have information that would come out in a divorce hearing, or whatever, they totally control it. Judge John Moore in my case, in Virginia Beach, is an army ranger. He is active reserve; he’s a VMI army colonel; he’s a graduate of VMI. In Virginia Beach, in the courts, there are at least six judges -- and I’m including commissioners in that -- because in Virginia we have a system where the commissioners do a lot of the decisions. And all of these in Virginia Beach who take care of military wives are military judges.
VMI is Virginia Military Institute, and it’s where General Marshall, of the Marshall Plan, went to school. It’s a little West Point. There’s a lot of tradition there, but it’s based on the Greek sort of Spartan military concept. And my father went to Washington & Lee, which is also in Lexington. And I know that there is some sort of – I won’t say “cult,” but there probably is some sort of secret society – and so it’s a very, very tight clique.
But what I was trying to say is that the judges are military men, and they are not independent. They take orders; there’s a chain of command; and in my particular case, and the other 11 military wives whom I have met so far – there are many, many more – but they’ve all been “handled” the same way. That’s not a normal divorce at all.
[Pastor Strawcutter] I’ve heard of these situations before, but it’s never been put so concisely and so reasonably that there would be a connection why some people – no matter what attorney you have, it doesn’t matter. The divorces and the settlement of assets never go the right way.
[Kay Griggs] No! And there’s a FISA court which I know is involved in my case: Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. It’s the Justice Department’s secret court that American citizens are not aware of. There have been a couple of articles on it. It’s a small group of men, and I think there’s a woman on it, and I believe there are seven justices. And in reality the article that I read, which was given to me by Mike Fuller, and I know he would not mind me using his name, he’s a government assassin. He was, like my husband, a government assassin – killing people. He’s a government mercenary. He was in Afghanistan and Rhodesia, South Africa. And I met him and his wife through Sarah McClendon. He’s a real wonderful patriot who is speaking out about what the NATO community, and the army and marine corps, are doing.
Sarah saved my life, literally. I had been having break-ins starting the night of March 4th after I was calling everywhere to see if I could find my husband. He would disappear at times. And I found my husband’s diary, which I have here, which they have been not anxious to have get out.
[Pastor Strawcutter] “They” meaning?
[Kay Griggs] Well, “they”: General [John J.] Sheehan, General [Charles C.] Krulak, Marine Corps Generals Al Gray, Cook, and especially General Joy. General Jim Joy and General Carl Stiner are evil men. And they are in this diary meeting with my husband almost every day in Beirut. They trained the Men in Black who killed those people in Waco. It was General Joy and General Stiner, Stiner’s army, dirty tricks, special operations. And this is what my husband does for a living, is train mercenaries: young boys from countries like Romania, Dominican Republic, Haiti – all of these countries – they are training them to be murderers. And the taxpayers’ dollars are paying for this. They psychologically profile them. The profile, which is similar to my husband’s and Lee Harvey Oswald’s and McVeigh’s, and some of the others who were all part of this program, Jeffrey Dahmer, was profiled and hidden. What most Americans do not know was that all of these men –
[Pastor Strawcutter] So Dahmer has a military background?
[Kay Griggs] Of course! They are all army. They were all picked out because they are perverted or twisted: sexually perverted. Well, I don’t think McVeigh was perverted the way Dahmer was, but certainly the group that my husband is overseeing are twisted: strong mother, weak father or no father, poor. Because these guys are looking for security, so they will stay in the military and do anything for that security. This was my husband’s scenario.
My husband and Oswald are just two peas in a pod. Exactly the same personality, the same type. And in the same elite group, I might add, which was doing work with Communist Russians, Czechoslovakians, and with Romanians. I met assassins; I met drug lords, Fahim Qortabawi, whose family were the drug lords in the Beqaa Valley. I mean, he knows the elite of the elite of the elite. And that’s why I was warned twice not to talk. I was told that I would be killed.
My husband warned me early on but he loved me in the beginning. I’m sure he really did. But he’s a robot, my husband. Except when he’s drinking. And I think that’s why he drank, because the first three years of marriage he was telling me everything. And I come from a very strong Protestant southern culture, which when you’re talking about shooting people like ducks, the only thing I can relate it to is my brothers going duck hunting. And that’s what George would tell me it was like. Killing is just like nothing. There’s no emotion involved. You just get rid of somebody. And he said he was an existentialist, and that these murders were necessary, you know very matter of fact. And I’d sort of go, “Uh huh, yep”, and we’d be eating dinner.
And I was trying to get him to know Christ, to sort of understand a little bit about my background, and America’s background. But his group they are not Christians. They are what he calls “existentialists,” and they study German Clausewitz and Nietzsche, Sartre, Camus, Montesquieu. And his thesis at Princeton, which was written for him by a very good friend of his named Todavey [sp?], who was a French Count, and his thesis was on this. And supposedly it was in French, but my French is better than his, so he could not have written that by himself. I know that. I know it was written for him. But in the intelligence world, and in the communist world, in the world that my husband was in, one had to know French, because all the terrorist trainers, and the guys who were funding all the guerillas and everything, were in Paris and New Orleans. They would go back and forth.
Still, the 4th Marines is out of New Orleans. And that’s been going on a long time, ever since Disraeli, and even before, I think. But they had hit squads and undercover groups in New Orleans. And George would go to New Orleans – all of the marines – this is where they do terrorist training, at Lake Ponchartrain and places like that. I think New Orleans has been a place where debauchery and murder and cults flourished.
[Pastor Strawcutter] There’s a New Orleans connection with the JFK assassination.
[Kay Griggs] Well you see Oswald, my husband and Oswald were in the same club. General Jim Joy [Brigadier General James R. Joy] is in that club. General Louis Buehl [Louis H. Buehl III], who is my husband’s “benefactor”, or whatever you want to call it, is in that club. There are Russians in that club.
I want to tell you about General Al Gray. And my husband was the chief of staff for General Al Gray, who was the Commandant of the Marine Corps. And I probably shouldn’t say this on the tape, and you all can get rid of it, but he’s a homosexual. He’s what they call a “cherry marine.” Now I’m not anti[homosexual], but the Vietnam War – you see, there are guys and there are girls, and I came from just such a real prudish culture, and I’m not judging them. But the Vietnam War, I know a lot about the MACSOG program, and the Phoenix Program, because George was involved with a very important part of that. Not important, really, but he and Al Gray and Louis Buehl and Michael O’Boyle and Ollie Whipple [Oliver M. Whipple, Jr. (MCSN: 0-76023)]– do you remember the Mayaguez and the Pueblo – the seizure of that little ship – it was run by the mob then. It was a mob-military partnership: JOINT. It was a joint operation in Korea and in Vietnam. The highest levels of the Marine Corps and the Army in those special operations levels, the individuals are actually in the Mob. I’m talking about the Brooklyn-New Jersey mob. My husband, Al Gray, [General John J.] Sheehan, Cap Weinberger, and Heinz Kissinger, there’s the Boston Mob for shipping weapons back and forth to Northern Ireland, and I don’t want to get too deeply involved in that but it goes back to Israel, and some of the Zionists who came over from Germany, according to my husband. See, he works with those people. They do a lot of money laundering in the banks, cash transactions for the drugs that they are bringing over through Latin America, by the Southern Mafia, the Dixie Mafia, which now my husband is involved with in Miami. The military are all involved. Once they retire, they go into this drug and secondary weapons sales.
And before I forget I want to find the name of this Russian who worked with Al Gray, who was my husband’s boss -- I can’t find it right now.
Vietnam was really important, because a lot of experiments were done on boys who went over there.
Since my husband disappeared, they have been psychologically trying to destroy me, financially trying to destroy me, because I’m telling the truth. His first wife, I know, was murdered. She was, according to a psychiatrist, whose name I probably won’t give because he’s an honorable man, I was given permission before I went public with Sarah McClendon at the Press Club, anonymously, but they knew who I was on the 3rd of July, 1996, when I came out with a small group of people. But before that time, they were trying to “handle” me, trying to get me to be quiet. They tried threatening me and so forth. And I forgot what point I was trying to make, something important.
And I called General Jim Joy [Brigadier General James R. Joy], and I was trying to find where my husband was, because I didn’t know if I’d have any money to eat. He just walked away. And I knew that the Marine Corps knew where he was. But I was being handled psychologically.
On the 4th of March, 1996, my home was broken into. They had elaborate plans to “handle” me. And keep in mind, he had disappeared on the 28th of December, 1995. So put yourself in my shoes: I have no idea where he is. He’s done this before, and each time I was totally traumatized.
[Pastor Strawcutter] What happened during this break-in?
[Kay Griggs] Well, they were looking for the diary which I have here. I don’t have the original copy, but this is his Beirut diary. And it’s in his handwriting. The Beirut diary tells how the intelligence community, the army and marine corps assassins, snipers, how they operate in a city during a crisis. My husband was the liaison between the White House and President Gemayel. So my husband is a friend of [General Brent] Scowcroft. [Robert] McFarlane’s a marine. All these men are personal friends of George’s. [William] Colby I spoke with personally on the phone. Two weeks later he was murdered. He went to Princeton. My husband knew him, and he knew my husband.
[Pastor Strawcutter] This is General Colby:
[Kay Griggs] William Colby, who was head of the CIA, who was murdered. I know exactly how that happened because the SEAL teams, SEAL team 6, 4 and 8, are on the East Coast, and the odd numbers are on the West Coast. And some of the people who are affiliated with the SEALs – the Israelis train with the SEALs. They do a lot of wet ops, murders over here because of some sort of arrangement.
I met three young assassins on a bus. Going back and forth to Sarah’s, I went on the bus, because they were sabotaging my car so often. So I sat next to two young assassins, one from Romania and one from Haiti. And I let them know that I understand how it is. And this little boy cried. I won’t mention which one it was, because it may get back to him. But he told me it was the same scenario. His mother, he lives on $850/ month.
Now these are mercenaries. The taxpayers are paying mercenaries. The taxpayers are paying young men who are not citizens of the United States to kill innocent people: women and children. They get on a flight from Norfolk and Oceania, they fly to Stuttgart, and I was told this is what they do. Then they go by a special helicopter to countries like Turkey, Iraq, Algeria, Africa, and they do wet ops. They’ll just murder 5 or 10, 20 people. And then they blame it on the Arabs. Or they blame it on somebody else. But it’s actually NATO rogue assassins. Because there are men from Australia, South Africa, and Britain that I’ve been able to determine, and a lot of these other little countries that are wanting to get into NATO who have little boys that they pick out.
And they call them “Special.” They use the word “Special,” meaning “elite, irregular” in order to entice these boys, because they don’t have much ego. In other words, they are protected. They know that they are above the law. My husband is above the law. Judge John Moore is above the law. Colonel Barry Kantor, my husband’s JAG colonel lawyer, is above the law. Grover [C.] Wright, Marine Corps. A lot of these guys who are judges had their wives gotten rid of. Judge John Moore had his first wife thrown into a mental institution before he became a judge. He battered her.
And I spoke with a man who has a purple heart, two people, who knew Hannah very well. And Hannah Moore was deeply in love with her husband. When he got back from Vietnam -- he was an army ranger -- he battered her. He physically and psychologically abused her. And she started screaming. I was battered and bruised. A lot of wives are by these Vietnam vets. But if they are a colonel, or they are a rising star, the wife has got to be crazy, because they’ve got too much invested in these men.
And it’s a very small cult. I have heard the things they do when they are colonels. It’s some of the same things that they do in Cap and Gown, which is the Princeton version of Skull & Bones. My husband went to Princeton after he went to the Hun School for four years.
Part 2 of 4 (Tape No. 1)
[Pastor Strawcutter] Are these clubs, secret societies that these young men are drawn into?
[Kay Griggs] Secret societies.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Is this to make them feel superspecial, and also put control on them so you never tell these secrets?
[Kay Griggs] Yes, that’s it. You have got it.
[Pastor Strawcutter] You know, I’ve heard that child molesters, people who are not connected with the military, just plain old child molesters, will molest a child and then tell them, “Now, if you ever tell.” They’ll take a cat and strangle it, and kill it or something [and say], “This is what I’m going to do to your mother. This is what I’ll do to you. Bad things will happen if you ever tell.” And children grow up believing that they must never, ever tell. And they don’t generally, unless someone comes along to help them see the light and come out of it.
[Kay Griggs] And you see, my husband is frightened to death. I believe that his brother was murdered to keep him in, because he had gone through four years of this mind control. And the man who did it -- you can see this on the video -- his name was Charles Caddock, and another man named Alexander Robinson. Alexander Robinson was a marine, from a very well connected Presbyterian family, whose family member was the influential one who brought over the Saudis. The original Saudi head of Saudi Arabia was very – George told me all of this about Mohammed Faisal, Khaled Faisal, and Saud Faisal, there were something like 32 brothers of the then – in the mid fifties – ordained head of Saudi Arabia [King Faisal]. It was actually the United States who chose [King Faisal] because the United States through Charles Caddock and that group murdered the good one, the one whom everybody liked, who was well-educated, and who was normal [Abdulaziz ‘Ibn Saud’?]. In 1952, 1953, 1954, I believe, in Paris, [Ibn Saud died in his sleep of a heart attack at the palace of Prince Faisal in Ta'if on 9 November 1953 at the age of 78] the universal Saudi, the well-educated Saudi was poisoned. So his brother, or half-brother, whatever, who was the father of all of these 32 boys, and the three oldest now, were snuck into the United States.
I have an undergraduate degree in Virginia history, and a masters in Scottish history, and being a southerner, we always look at past is prologue. And I jumped into the Saudi Arabian books to try and find out something about the Hun School, which is in Princeton, started by a physicist connected with Einstein’s group. So I was looking for the Hun School, because I knew they went there. And they are in all the brochures, which are very proud to say “We have the Saudi royals here.” President Chesebro brags about going over there and being wined and dined. So I only found one reference: they went to a prep school in the United States is all they said. Well, it was the Hun School, and my husband was one of their playmates. Charles Caddock was the “bodyguard -teacher” for these guys. So they would go out and play in the woods. And they were doing homosexual things with them. There was a lot of money. They bought a big house and so –
[Pastor Strawcutter] I was momentarily distracted. Explain to me a little bit about the homosexual event here?
[Kay Griggs] Well, George, for the first three years of our marriage, was drinking entirely too much, and he was trying to let me know about his world. And I’m not judging him. He’s a bisexual. He needed help. He needed love. He needed to cry. He still does. He really needs help. And the handlers knew that I was changing him. I was taking him away from this crazy cult that he’d been in all of these years. And we were going to church. He even walked down the aisle one time when Tony Evans preached at Scope. I mean he was overwhelmed. Scope in Norfolk: it’s a big auditorium. But he was a little boy when he was mind controlled. MKUltra somebody said. They had a group of men, a psychiatrist in New Jersey. I don’t know where this place was, but they would go there. And even his roommates in Princeton told me about it. George – intentionally -- never introduced me to any of his friends, so I had to cold call all these people. I got their names and addresses, telephone numbers, and I called all of these roommates at the Hun School at Princeton. They told me things about George holding hands with Caddock and other people, about being a cheerleader, and going off and so forth.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Now a cheerleader, that is a trade name, right?
[Kay Griggs] He was a cheerleader at Princeton. And he traveled with the football team. And here is a guy like that, and they put him in the Marine Corps? I don’t think that was very nice. Do you know what I’m saying? It was hard for him. They wanted him long term, and it’s because of the Saudis. This is what I believe, and what his roommate believes. He had a roommate at Princeton who was also at the Hun who is a dear, wonderful person. His mother is an Anglican; his father was a Jewish doctor from Brooklyn. And Jack is a dear. And we talked to each other a lot on the phone. George sort of dismissed him, because George was getting in with another crowd. George got into Cap and Gown which is a kind of fraternity. It's an eating club at Princeton for intelligence officers.
[Pastor Strawcutter] In Cap and Gown did they have anybody involved that wasn't intelligence oriented?
[Kay Griggs] Football players and so forth. But I have a feeling that Cap and Gown has a lot of intelligence officers and boys who may have been raped. Of course, they'd never talk about it. But I know that in the initiation they get very drunk. Even in the Marine Corp they do that. It's called "Dining in." They have the "shellback" ceremony. They do a lot of homosexual enticement. The boys, when they are new recruits, are stripped nude. They violate their personal parts. And a lot of that is going on even now.
[Pastor Strawcutter] What about "tailhook"? Is there a connection?
[Kay Griggs] Yeah, sure! Because the "cream of the crop" is doing this. They are having group sex parties.
[Pastor Strawcutter] That was a Navy operation too, wasn't it?
[Kay Griggs] Yeah. But the Navy and the Marine Corp do –
[Pastor Strawcutter] Tailhook was -- refresh our memory.
[Kay Griggs] When I was single in Norfolk, I knew one of the people who was deeply involved with tailhook. He was the captain of the [USS] Saratoga, and was very much involved with this type of behavior. See, I never thought about group sex. This is so awful for me to contemplate, that these orgies are going on all over the Mediterranean; that the captains, lieutenants, and the men who rise to the top are the ones who are picked to play the games, the nude pool parties. And they have the secretaries who come in.
I’ve talked to three guys, and of course my husband, who went to these parties. But what they do is -- and General Al Gray was the main prime mover -- they would go to a place like Isle Rose [Rhodes] where Charles Caddock, the teacher who got my husband into it, retired into one of these all-male party houses on the Mediterranean. And my husband kept up with him all through the years.
[Pastor Strawcutter] These sex parties and orgies, they are all homosexual in nature?
[Kay Griggs] Well, they start off with the wild secretaries. My husband did those in Indonesia. He did them in a place in Northern Virginia with his first wife. I did not know any of this. I knew absolutely none of this when I married him. He told me he was loyal to his wife. He wanted me to think he was just apple pie, because I’m just a one-man woman. When I took that oath to marry him -- love, honor and obey -- that’s me. But when he was married to his first wife, he was just a sexual addict; an alcoholic addict; and he loves terror. His whole little soul was just being sucked away from him. And he really needs Christ. He needed me day in and day out. What he’s doing now is running more of these operations.
[Pastor Strawcutter] As you describe this, I can’t help but think of Bill Clinton.
[Kay Griggs] Well, of course he was one of those profileable boys. But the difference between Bill Clinton – and I’m not saying Bill Clinton is better – but Bill Clinton did not know anything about the assassinations.
I was living with Sarah McClendon, the senior White House correspondent who saved my life, because she said, “Mrs. Griggs, you get up here to Washington right now or you are dead. You’re going to be dead.” And I still feel as though I probably will be. I’ll certainly be financially ruined. They are still doing psychological operations in my home: sabotaging my car, messing with my telephone, my radio. You cannot believe what I’ve been through in the last two years. It is horrible. And it’s being done to other women, other wives, and other men who don’t go along with the program. They are murdering marines; they are murdering sailors.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Of course one of the best ways for you to stay alive is to do what you are doing. Absolutely. If you reduce this to video, get it scattered all over the country, they won’t touch you, because if you are dead, that validates everything you’re saying. Publicity is the best thing you can do.
[Kay Griggs] Oh, I must tell you about General Joy. I found his name all through the diary. And what was really strange was that George had mentioned him early on in the marriage, but then after a certain incident at Camp Lejeune, which I think is very interesting relating to tailhook, and something that I did there -- I’ll tell you about that if I can remember.
It took a lot for me to get General Joy’s phone number, because the marine colonels were not going to tell me, because they knew I was investigating. So nobody would tell me about General Joy. I called a person in George’s address book who was a general, pretending that I was updating my Christmas card list, and that I just wanted to find [General] Jim Joy’s telephone number. He said, “Oh, he’s up there; he’s running Morale Welfare Recreation for the world, you know, a payoff job for the Mob; and he’s living outside of Quantico. And here’s his phone number.” So I call him up, and keep in mind my husband is infamous: a Princeton graduate, chief of staff for Al Gray who runs all the dirty tricks for the Army. Linda Tripp worked for Carl Stiner who was a partner of Jim Joy, and Carl Stiner and my husband were the triumvirate in Beirut. Linda Tripp worked for Carl Stiner in the 80’s. She and her husband were both Delta Force duos. But then they divorced, so that broke up that. But Linda’s a dirty tricks person.
Anyway, so I call General Joy and I say, “General Joy, this is Kay Griggs. And I’m George Griggs’ wife, you know, chief of staff for Al Gray, head of half the world, dirty tricks, special operations, wet ops.” And he goes, “No, I don’t believe I know your husband.” Those are exactly his words. And I was taping it by the way. They took my tape. They started coming in and putting sticky stuff on tapes, and mind jagging me. They would go to a lot of trouble to take things I said on one tape and put it on another. I mean, they were having fun with me psychologically. But I taped this conversation with General Joy. And I said, “Well, that’s really strange, General Joy, that you don’t know my husband, because I’m sitting here on my bed, and I’m looking at my husband’s diary that he kept the whole time that he was in Beirut, and you’re in there on almost every page. You know, you’re in there a lot. And you’re going over to Cypress and Rome, and you’re getting money for weapons, and then going to Tel Aviv. And you’re doing this and that, and you don’t know my husband George Griggs, and you’re a marine and he’s a colonel?” He went, “Oh, THAT George Griggs.” Because he knew I had the diary. Then he said, “Oh, Ms. Griggs, let me call you back.” So he had to confirm with General [John J.] Sheehan, General Joy, General Gaiman, General [William W.] Hartzog, and his little cabal, particularly General [Alfred M.] Gray and General [Charles C.] Krulak.
So he called me back, and he was just like a little puppy dog. He said, “Oh, Ms. Griggs, I’m going to be in Norfolk on the night of the 5th, 6th and 7th. I’ll be at a Morale Welfare Recreation meeting at the Marriott Hotel, and I would like to meet with you when I get there. I’ll be getting in there about 5:00, and we could go to dinner. Or you could come and have breakfast the next morning. Or at 11:00, I have to speak at this luncheon engagement, you’re welcome to come to that. Or we can meet at …” He went through every hour of the whole time. He could not have been more insistent about meeting me if he’d been my father on my birthday or something.
So we did meet. But I was afraid of him, because I knew he was an assassin. General Jim Joy, the one who got Noriega out of Panama, he and [General John J.] Sheehan, were the ones behind the whole operation in Panama. This is a powerful guy. He and Carl Stiner: Mutt and Jeff. They trained all the guys in Waco who went and did what they did to David Koresh. General [John J.] Sheehan is the one behind all the black helicopters. They are the ones doing all the other stuff down there at Kathy McDaniels’, down at Fort Poke, Fort Hood.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Kathy McDaniels?
[Kay Griggs] Kathy McDaniels had a little talk show. She is the wife, daughter of the mayor down there at Fort Poke, the little town outside of Fort Poke. And there were a lot of unusual things happening. And because she was talking about it, they took her radio show off the air. It’s a long story.
So anyway, General Joy, I got in contact with the NCIS, Fort Poke in Louisiana. I met with the NCIS guy and a marine that I just met by cold call because I was sort of worried at what would happen to me meeting him.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Recap: we discussed tailhook –
[Kay Griggs] You know what "tailhook" means, don't you?
[Pastor Strawcutter] No. What is tailhook?
[Kay Griggs] [Laughter]
[Pastor Strawcutter] Uh oh. I got a feeling. Is it a homosexual reference?
[Kay Griggs] Yeah, sure.
[Pastor Strawcutter] I thought it was when you refuel a jet or something.
[Kay Griggs] It is. Look [at this drawing]. See, the planes look like this. I was told this by Jerry Unruh, who was a captain when I met him. We were just partying. You know, I had a group of gals, and we were all school friends. And everyone hung around this place called Poppy’s in Virginia Beach. It was THE place in the mid-80s when I was at the Virginia Center for World Trade. Well, Jerry was in there. He’s an intelligence operative with Scowcroft, McFarlane, and Ed Wilson who is a really good friend of my husband’s and is a really bad guy. Anyway, some of them are doing this Rush River Lodge thing, where Angleton and Woodward would go, these big orgy parties. And George went to a few of those. But this is the plane, and it kind of looks like that. And it refuels. See, that’s what the hook is for. That’s called a “tailhook.” But it has a double meaning. And I went to the [inaudible] show two weeks ago, and they had the tailhook booth. And I have some stuff -- I don’t think I have it with me -- but tailhook souvenirs. Because they were really trying to promote the “charitable” function of that organization.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Now, the fact that the cover got blown on that tailhook operation was a major snafu?
[Kay Griggs] [Paula Coughlin] had to try very hard to get that out. I think it was in Las Vegas. But my thing went on at Camp Lejeune before tailhook. And this is why I got flagged. Because I stopped all the go-go dancers in the officers’ clubs. And they got very mad at me. I can tell you that story. It’s true.
I was incensed that they would allow topless women, and young girls, in the officers’ club dining room while I was trying to eat late one night. And George said, “Well, you know, you just have to get used to it. If you think this is anything, you ought to see what goes on in Okinawa.”
Well, this was 1991, 1990 – it was before tailhook. And the Lord is always with me. Sometimes I don’t know where he is, but this particular night it was about 9:00, and I was starving. And I was really mad, because his reaction wasn’t, “I’m sorry, this is offensive, do you want to go into town to eat or something?” He didn’t do that. He attacked me. It was a chance to educate me the way they were educated. “Get used to it, bitch!” Excuse my French. But that’s really what he was trying to do. Well, they were all young, married officers.
Now I worked at the Chamber and this is taxpayer money. This looks bad. The men had wedding bands on. And two of the guys go out with one of the girls. So after having said, “Don’t you see anything wrong with this picture?” and getting no backup, I’m thinking, “Oh, boy, I’ve got to get the camera in my pocketbook. I am going to see Marty Oogan, an old roommate from St. Mary’s -- a little Episcopal junior college in Raleigh, North Carolina -- and I said, “Oh, little Lucille Ball comes in, and I just kind of grabbed that little camera with a flash, and I get three little flashes of scattering people.” So that proved to him, truth is light; light is truth. God proved it. I didn’t do it. I didn’t argue. I just took pictures, and they scattered.
Then what happened? My husband tried to grab my camera. But there was still some men in there, and two of the girls. And they were looking at me. The girls were probably thinking, “Oh!,” but the guys saw an older colonel, chief of staff, and his wife. It was bad from the perspective of me being a wife witnessing this, and being ordered to shut up. So I took the camera when he wanted to grab it from me, and I went like this [put it behind her]. I mean, it was real battle time, major.
My brother was a championship wrestler, and I don’t know anything about holes, but I knew this was self-preservation time. And I just said, “Well, I’m going to the ladies room, bye.” And so I went to the ladies room, and I hid the darn thing. And he wanted to know where it was. We had a major battle.
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Part 3 of 4 (Tape No. 1)
But the end thing that happened was that I wrote a nice letter, and found out the name of the manager of the club. Because I knew protocol. I knew you can’t go and just really mess everybody up. And I sent a letter saying, “Is this normal?” to the club manager. But I sent copies of the pictures and the letter to the wife of the general commander of the base, and the wife of the Commandant. I was helping the wives. See, I thought in the real world this is what you do.
But what happened was I went home and the wives were meeting there. And I told them what I had done. And Carolyn Millice said, “Oh no, you didn’t do that, did you!? George won’t get promoted!” You know, he was trying to make general. But Louis Buehl had already died. He wouldn’t have made general anyway because of Sue. I had already found out about that. But I didn’t know that at the time. But Charlotte Moore, whose family is better educated, and she’s kind of the leader of the pack because she’s more rational than the rest of the wives, she said, “Kay, thank you very much. We appreciate what you did for us.” And then all the rest of them kind of went along. They are like little puppets too. But then I found out from Brooks West that I was flagged, that General Gray had me marked as a troublemaker.
So after that, no more stories while my husband was drinking. He was having to balance them and me. I think he was challenged by me because he knew that I was a free spirit. He didn’t understand Christ. He didn’t understand what my boundaries are, because he was a little bit intimidated by my sense of freedom and my openness, which comes from a complete understanding of where Christ is in my life. And I follow in his footsteps. But I’m a free spirit because I’m created independently, as we all are.
And my husband never had that ability to be free from the time he was a teenager, and the Saudis were beginning to pile into the Russell House at the Hun School in Princeton, which is the school which my husband was in for four years on scholarship. He never saw his parents in eight years.
Now think about this. His parents were shipped to California -- I believe strategically -- so that they could control his mind. He was too poor to fly out there. I think he did go one time when he was ROTC on a flight that took him forever and a day to get out there. But he had an uncle later on who bought a house in Princeton when he was in college. So he had a little bit of nurturing. And this uncle became his father. And this uncle’s two sons [became his brothers], and the next door neighbor became his wife. He knew he had to marry because of what he had gone through, and I think it was so shameful and so hard on him that he married practically on graduation day from Princeton University, where he had four years in ROTC. And he was in the Cap and Gown Club, which as I mentioned before, is an intelligence football kind of scholarship club.
But what’s interesting is my uncle, who was in intelligence -- Ben Delaney -- went through exactly the same hoops. I was thinking when I met my husband -- and it probably was God in many ways -- I thought, “Isn’t it amazing that Uncle Ben, who was the football quarterback star for Princeton the one year when they won the whole national thing, that he went to the Hun School? His father and mother were both killed, or something happened to them. And I think they were a fairly well to do, prominent family. He was handsome, wonderful, and just a neat man. So he went on scholarship to the Hun. He was in Cap and Gown. He played on the football team. He wasn’t a cheerleader; my husband was a cheerleader. But they were in exactly the same pattern: ROTC scholarship; they left ROTC; they were dependent on the government, on the intelligence community; selling weapons to whatever country -- I know the country. In other words, they were doing work for the JOINT under the table all these years.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And directly under whose instructions were they selling these weapons? Do you know that?
[Kay Griggs] Yeah, well, it’s an Israeli Zionist group in New York.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Mossad?
[Kay Griggs] Well yeah, but everybody thinks “Mossad” like they think “CIA.” CIA is just sort of a bogus thing. It’s really army intelligence that does just about everything. They run a lot of the psychological profiling, which is done at Quantico with the FBI. It’s all a very small group. It’s Harvard professors connected with Tavistock and Dar es Salaam. There’s a sexual perversion group in Vienna, and one in Colorado. I think that little girl was part of that experiment. Jon Benet Ramsey. Her parents are involved in that program.
This wasn't the CIA, he said. The CIA was a showboat civilian agency. These were the professionals, the military, the combined intelligence arms of the United States Army, the United States Navy and the United States Air Force. Together, they formed the largest and most discreet intelligence agency in the world; 57,000 people operating out of Arlington Hall, Virginia, and Bolling Airforce Base, Washington, D.C., on a budget five times bigger than the CIA's. No restrictions, no oversight -- and nobody even heard of it. Why? Because it didn't make mistakes. And because the director reported to the joint chiefs of staff, who didn't tell anybody anything they didn't have to know. And that included the Secretary of Defense.
-- The Trail of the Octopus (EXCERPT), by Donald Goddard with Lester Coleman
[Pastor Strawcutter] Somebody at a high level is protecting them. And it’s the same thing that you are describing about the military. If you’re in the clique, you can get away with murder.
[Kay Griggs] Absolutely. Literally murder. I used to be set up by the State Department. My husband, who had power in the State Department through both Caspar Weinberger and his whole crowd: Caspar Weinberger, George Bush, [William] Colby, [William] Casey, and my husband were in that clique. He was in the Princeton Marine Corps clique. Senator [Chuck] Robb, [John] Warner – they are all marines. Pat Robertson. All 4th marines. I mean, they are all involved in this. They are running everything.
[Pastor Strawcutter] You’re talking about the 700 club Pat Robertson?
[Kay Griggs] Uh huh. There is a power thing there. And it’s all male. It’s all white. They know the murders are all going on. They are surgical. They are strategic. They are political.
But what I was going to tell you is I was used, because I was the most gullible in high school, and I’m very, very spiritual, and I love people. And I was driven to meet all these people from all over the world for some reason. So they would feed me people because they knew I would react. It’s kind of like Monica and Bill: I think they put Monica in there to have something on Bill. That’s my own feeling. Sarah McClendon feels the same way.
[Pastor Strawcutter] And Linda Tripp was there to guide the situation.
[Kay Griggs] Absolutely. Of course. Linda Tripp was Delta Force. Linda Tripp was trained by Carl Stiner, who is in the diary with my husband. Carl Stiner is called a “snake.” And he tried to trip up Schwarzkopf. I mean, he was trying to take the whole Iraqi thing over because they had been baiting, using the Israeli rogues in Turkey, and having little zigzag wars. It’s all to sell weapons. It’s all about weapons sales; it’s all about drugs; it’s all about funny money. And [General Charles C.] Krulak, who is the Commandant of the Marine Corps -- his father is Victor Krulak -- worked with this Russian-Czechoslovakian double agent who worked with [General Alfred M. Gray] Al Gray, who was enlisted at that time, and rose right up to the top, because they were involved with Boucher[sp?] and this whole crowd that was trying to pick fights.
And they were army and navy together: JOINT. And George calls them the members of “the firm.” I’ve also heard “the brotherhood.” They are very close. And it’s a small group, and it’s very hierarchical.
I had Caspar Weinberger’s bodyguard farm me when I was at Sarah McClendon’s.
[Pastor Strawcutter] “Farm” you?
[Kay Griggs] “Farm” – that’s a term where they are doing profiling on me. Women are hard to profile because -- we’re very easy if you understand women, and I think they need more women in human intelligence because we’d solve a lot of these problems like overpopulation, or whatever it is, very quickly. Because we’re the ones who teach the men how to talk, how to communicate; we think on 20 levels at once; we’re very spiritual; we’re very practical, all at the same time. And they make mistakes by pegging women as “crazy” when really they are very anxious to solve problems. They are just very frustrated to see a lot of whacko things going on that don’t need to be going on, but the guys don’t see it.
So with my husband, and so forth, I was used. They profiled me. They knew I loved international people, because I had already demonstrated that. And there was a group of sexual psychologists, psychiatrists from Vienna who came over. I have pictures of them. I was their escort. George was already gone, and I was intrigued that they were still sending me people. There’s a whole range of psychiatrists who studied sexual perversion at Harvard, Yale, Johns Hopkins, and this Colorado group, and Dar es Salaam, where they trained the Black African terrorists. They train them in interrogation. They train the JAGs in interrogation methods and so forth.
And a lot of these guys got their experience in Vietnam. Intentionally, they took these little boys. That’s what they are doing in Bosnia right now. They are training future leaders in perversion.
The British have a school that George was working with in Indonesia for a year. My husband was setting up -- there was already a program in East Timor, a little place there in the mountains, that had been set up by the Australians during World War II. It was involved with Burma and some of the killings that were going on in China and so forth that T. Parker Host, this man who now controls my husband with Bob Edwards.
This is how they got together: I knew T. Parker Host when I was the assistant director of the Virginia Center for World Trade. I was the first woman on the board of the Foreign Commerce Club. I was very involved politically, and I was having a ball. And I met T. Parker Host through someone else. I was a chairman of a board of all these international shippers and brokers. I was just sort of a glorified secretary, public relations person. T. Parker Host was the Finnish consul, and at one time he had been the Norwegian consul, the Icelandic consul. I thought he was a really nice guy, because he was outgoing. He seemed Virginian. I didn’t know that much about him.
But it turns out he has one shipping agency when I meet him in 1985. He knows my husband’s profession instantly, because he brags about being with the Mobs. You see, the Mob runs the Port of Norfolk. I mean -- it’s terrible to say -- the bankers [at the top of the pyramid], and then they have – no, I can’t say that. No. The ports are run by, it’s a homosexual hierarchy. And in Norfolk, it’s Walter Chrysler, Hornthal, you know they have the rich ones [at the top of the pyramid], and then they get the little ones in by introducing them to the big guys. It’s like George met Einstein. Einstein was in that little ring that the Saudis were in. It was very elite. Camus, and Albert Einstein was in that little Princeton ring before he died. George – they partied together.
Anyway, so the Norfolk crowd runs the Port. It’s very organized and so forth. And I knew the person who was running the Maritime Association Shipping Agency. He was a very nice man who was that way. But I didn’t know it. I went out with him. I didn’t like him very much. He’s a very nice person, and completely homosexual. But he liked me, and I thought he was wonderful. He’s a very nice guy. Well his best friend was T. Parker Host. He lived with him for a while.
Well, I didn’t think anything about Parker, because he’d been married and had a couple of sons. And I thought, “Well, this is just a guy who moved away from Newport ___ for some reason and settled in Norfolk. I thought it was unusual he didn’t have any friends. But it wasn’t because of that. It was because Parker had some questionable associations with Mob figures, with assassins. He was in the Burma Special Operations Command. He liked living a dangerous life. And he bragged about it to others. My husband and he gravitated toward one another. And I thought it was wonderful, because my husband didn’t seem to have any friends. So I sort of fixed him up with Parker. Well, Parker is the one who did me in. Parker plotted and it’s a long story, but basically, and this sounds petty, but I wouldn’t go out with him. It was just that he wasn’t my type. He’s boorish; he’s loud; he’s kind of rude.
So what happened is that because my husband is so close to Bush and McFarlane and Scowcroft, and all these guys, Parker started getting in with my husband’s friends and cultivating them. And he goes from having one shipping agency to dotted all over the place. He goes from being a democrat in petty little Virginia politics, and being the Icelandic-Finnish consul, to having big shipping deals going through Iceland and Finland and Norway. My husband is setting up deals in Moss, Norway, and I was the President of the Sister City Association. I was being used, while my husband was setting up shipment places, and transshipment places. I was witnessing all of this. It all came back to me boom, like that.
But Parker, it was so interesting. We had a hearing with my husband the very day George Bush was in town and my husband was in town. My home was broken into while I was in court. Very strategically I was called by a marine colonel named Jack, who is very involved with the Maritime Shipping business, and he knew that I know a lot about that, he called me and invited me as a guest of his to attend the George Bush huge banquet, with John Warner, while my house was being robbed. My car was sabotaged that day. And guess who introduced George Bush? T. Parker Host. Now he made it to the bigtime.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Now Alexander Haig, he rose from nothing to big dog overnight. That’s because he’s in the club.
[Kay Griggs] He’s a friend. And of course he’s in the club. Now how he’s in the club is that Heinz Kissinger -- I have a firsthand story from Bob who was there in Cambodia with Heinz, Henry. His real name is Heinz Kissinger. Now Haig was an army –
[Pastor Strawcutter] So George Bush, I mean, all these people who rise up through the ranks are in the same club. No wonder, you know, I saw a little TV clip one time where a reporter was asking George Bush and others about the Order of the Skull and Bones. All these guys we're shocked that somebody mentioned the term and they just would not discuss it all. And the reporter said, ‘I understand that as part of the oath you don’t discuss it?’ And George just flat out said ‘It's just not to be discussed,’ and that was the end of the subject. I mean, if this really got out that these guys are all inducted because they’ve got some sort of homosexual…
[Kay Griggs] Right, indoctrination or induction. They have to do that. They do that in a coffin. And it's even now coming into the military totally. The chiefs do that. They put them in the coffin. They do the bowling ball trick.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Okay, you've got to explain this. What happens when you get in the coffin? Why do you get in a coffin?
[Kay Griggs] Oh, when you get your eagles -- that's a German thing you know -- it's what the German high command did. And most of them had the boyfriends and stuff, the krups[sp?] and all of that. It is a German thing that they say goes back to Greece. And it's all the male Marine looking men that they do it with, you see. So now the chiefs have to do that. What they do is they get -- George said it's like a zoo -- they get everybody really drunk, and they sometimes call it "dining in." "Shellback" is another time that they do it. Not everybody does it, but the ones who do it, if they're young, they get right up to the top.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Okay, what actually do they do? They've got a coffin, they get inside ...
[Kay Griggs] Anal sex. Oh, that! They put them in the coffin and they do things.
[Pastor Strawcutter] Okay, they perform things on each other?
[Kay Griggs] Yeah, while they're all around there going drunk and ...
[Pastor Strawcutter] I see, so there's a guy in the coffin ...
[Kay Griggs] Yeah, and he's the one who is the ...
[Pastor Strawcutter] ... recipient of all the acts?
[Kay Griggs] Right, right.
Part 4 of 4 (Tape No. 1)
[Pastor Strawcutter] We can probably say to conclude that these are oral sex acts on this guy, or something like that.
[Kay Griggs] Yeah. Oral and anal.
[Pastor Strawcutter] But what's the significance of the coffin?
[Kay Griggs] I don't know. But what’s interesting is now the young SEALs, Delta Force, the ones who go from army to buds, buds training SEALs –
[Pastor Strawcutter] Buds?
[Kay Griggs] Buds are the emerging SEAL group; they are budding SEALs. And they have to break into houses. Their training exercise is to break into civilians’ houses for practice. They broke into my house.
When George and I were first married, I had many underwear. This is terrible to say, but lingerie. I had lots of lingerie -- I didn’t buy much -- but it all disappeared. And then when the psyching was beginning, I had white blouses, but they would all have black dots on them. I said, “George, here’s another blouse with a black dot.” This was somebody’s message. Or after George left, it was batteries in a drawer. You know, you can’t tell the police, “I opened up a drawer where I had six batteries, and now I have 50 batteries.” They’ll say, “Well of course you’re crazy.”
And I started my little Saab with a screwdriver. And I was always looking around for screwdrivers. Well, one day I come home and there are about 12 screwdrivers on the table, neatly placed. Well, you can’t call the police and say, “I’ve got 12 screwdrivers.” You can’t tell people you’ve got black dots on all your white blouses. Your shoes are disappearing.
And then I call the police after the first break-in, which was the night of March 4th, 1996, the night before I went to see General Joy at the Marriott. Well, I had already called the police when I was battered, because I was just bruises. I made OJ’s wife look like Marilyn Monroe. And I was doing this because I thought it would help him. I had a .45 put to my head, and he’s laughing. He’d strangle me and put his finger on my jugular vein, and he’d say, “Now don’t you dare move.” Or I’d be lying in bed, and he’d do a jab where he’d just push me off the bed. You can’t believe what horror I went through to try and get this man to understand what Christ’s love is about. And people say, “Oh, you should have left.” Well, I took my marriage vows seriously. I knew he was injured psychologically by the war, and whatever he was made to do. So I’m fine. I just sacrificed a lot. It was a big wrestling match with a crazy guy. But I still love a little boy within. He’s very troubled.
But anyway, I called the police after a number of little break-ins. And guess what? The policeman they sent was a little short guy with a short haircut whose name was Shorty Satterwhite. And Shorty Satterwhite was saying, “Oh now, Ms. Griggs, now you’re just making this up. You’re just traumatized because your husband is gone, blah blah blah.&